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I have a new Toreador. She is 13th gen, embraced 1901 in London. Her sire would be likely to be someone she met through the art world - she got noticed for her painting in 1899 aged 19 by someone; this could be an opening for an Embrace two years later aged 21. She was Acknowledged in the London court over the next years, and left the country maybe 15 years later for rural France. I am still sorting details of what happened over the period of the Great War and WWII. She returned to England last week, and showed up in Stoke at the Toreador Ball to meet her clan head and be introduced to people. Her name is Elodie Lebrun (born Elodie Brown) and she speaks with a dodgy French accent. Home domain likely to be London.

I need a sire. Also, if anyone wants to occasionally play a rakish Bohemian-type male French Toreador ghoul, about 28 years old, please shout.

Any help, tips on writing backgrounds, people who hung around the fringes of high society in the last decade of Victoria's reign, or people who've been about in France over the past 80 years, all welcome.

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malkachu.livejournal.com

My character is a Toreador. Was in London about that time. Is in the art world and a painter. But is 10th Generation and can't sire. :(

I could do a non Sire type tie in, if you'd like ...

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Anything is good. Where is the character based, and what information would you need to link things together?

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malkachu.livejournal.com

Stafford... going to Birmingham.

Basically, where we met.. how well we knew each other and what we'd know about each other ... that sort of stuff. :)

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What's your email address? :)

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malkachu.livejournal.com

alexplant2000@yahoo.co.uk

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winterthing.livejournal.com

...are

riksowden and co.'s lot in House Diomedes, and the Clifford lot which are currently sorta headed up by an archon, and which Liam's Toreador is descended from.

1901 Paris...hmmm...

On a completely non-Toreador note - if you're feeling brave the adorable Nikita was kicking around Paris at that time - called Alena Alexandrovna. So - if you want an oprichnina tie-in you could have known a very lost, slightly scary, half feral Russian underworld type girlie with no class, dress sense, ability to seduce (this was pre-Veylor) and a kinda of brutal honesty about the way the world worked.

I think that could be fun - but I'm not sure if you want to get to know her after all the horrible things

mageanst says about the poor lass.

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winterthing.livejournal.com

Why did I substitute Paris for London? I know - coz you're French. Oh well - Niki was in London as well - so we could work them as having met in either London or Paris (I chose those two cities for having a Russian emigree population and a quite radical political underworld at that time) and I thought it could be cool.

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Her father is British, her mother French. She was born and raised in London, but would have arrived in the Paris court possibly about 1916 (wars permitting, I need to look up timelines and history on that). She'd have stayed there for a few years before heading south-east to draw her beloved mountainous landscapes. If that fits with you I'm up for it.

I know next to nowt about the oprichnina - who *are* you people anyway?

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malkachu.livejournal.com

The Oprichnina are a lovely family of Brujah all from Russia. :)

Timelines ~ I can help with, if you want.

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winterthing.livejournal.com

That could fit nicely. Paris in 1916 would be war torn, but I think the Germans never made it to Paris in that war.

WW1 was 1914-1918 in the west, and 1914-1917 on the eastern front (Russia) with the Russian Civil War kicking off in 1917 and going into the early 1920s.

I have this mild fog hanging over Niki's life between 1881 and 1916 when she went back to Russia with just Paris/London hanging about. To be fair you probably wouldn't get a lot of oprichnina tie ins - mostly Niki and maybe Manko (played by

skinny_cartman) if you're interested.

The Oprichnina are a historical Russian secret police type thing, but are also the name of a Russian brujah bloodline who are largely psychopaths. Niki (who Moreton Drake is ALLEGEDLY IN LOVE WITH DESPITE HIS COLD AND BLOODY USELESS...ahem...anyway...) is my PC. Matt Hope plays Manko, another one, and James Moody plays Vasya who is another one of the line.

They are basically very family based, pretty incestuous, with this kind of savage loyalty. They are cool and a lot of fun to play. We just psychologically scarred Steve's PC and he hasn't quite recovered yet, apparently...:)

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Riiiight :) Okay, I'll go with that - we met, somehow. I now need either a reason for her to leave the country when I've said she did, or to change the date of her departure from London. she'd need a fairly strong imperative to leave the relative safety of London for war-torn Paris. Hmmmm.

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winterthing.livejournal.com

On one random note - if she did leave London in 1916 she left at exactly the same time Niki did, so maybe we could have it that the two neonates travelled across war torn Europe together - both trying to get back home.

That would be quite an emotionally intense time for them to have met, and could lead to some nice back history mebbe.

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Oh, that sounds cool. I'll think of something. I don't yet know how she removes herself from the bosom of her family after the Embrace; it may be that after that, as a very young neonate of the London court, skulking in shadows and still trying to sell her artwork, she may have got tangled up with The Wrong People (tm) and be fleeing some kind of exploitation or discovery. So, yes, I shall find a reason for her to want to leave about that time, and hence when Niki perhaps suggests that she wants to make her way back home Elodie agrees with alacrity to accompany her.

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winterthing.livejournal.com

Actually that could work quite well. She was a young Toreador who got caught up with the wrong sort of people, and make Niki skulking in the fringes - this odd savage creature who seemed quite at home in the most sordid places, but still had this slightly peculiar kind of innocence about her at times - the way my gangrel who you met at the NW Ball sometimes does.

You got into trouble, perhaps to the extent that something gribbly was about to happen, and then Niki helped you out briefly, and afterwards said if you needed to get out of the country - well - she was leaving for France the next night. Would you like to come?

Then they could both have left.

I'll try and write something up and send it to you.

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That sounds really good :) Elodie would have to be quite desparate to flee with someone as disreputable as Nikita sounds, of course, so the gribbly stuff will have to be quite gribbly indeed. I shall hie me to an ST about that. She would have known Nikita under what name, then? And would she have heard from or about her in the period between leaving Paris (1926ish, probably for a tour of Europe, settling back in France about 1936, moving from village to village) and leaving for England last week?

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winterthing.livejournal.com

Niki would have been Alena Alexandrovna then. And maybe in England she was known as Allie - something like that.

*grins*

Sounds cool...

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Is Nikita going to have a problem with being kissed effusively and Frenchily on both cheeks and addressed as 'Alena, cherie!' ?

This assumes they parted on good terms and have not seen each other since :)

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suave-steve.livejournal.com

Avoid Nikita tie ins at all cost :-P

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winterthing.livejournal.com

See! You poison people's minds against her!

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suave-steve.livejournal.com

Not against her, against you. I should have said avoid all Sally tie ins :P

By the way send me that ALys dates and info for the tie iwith the ventrue.

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winterthing.livejournal.com

Shall do as soon as I have proper time to sit down and write

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malkachu.livejournal.com

So - if you want an oprichnina tie-in you could have known a very lost, slightly scary, half feral Russian underworld type girlie with no class, dress sense, ability to seduce (this was pre-Veylor) and a kinda of brutal honesty about the way the world worked.

She has dress sense now? :P

*grins, ducks and runs*

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riksowden.livejournal.com

Hmm, well 1901 Alexander was hiding (NOT sulking) from everyone, and wouldn't really be good as a sire for a 13th anyhow (i'm not that good at blagging...)

You could possibly tie-in with the House Diomedes thing - though we are generally a load of useless and talentless poseurs... With pretentions of, well, pretention ;)

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So, who are House Diomedes, and where have they been hanging out over the last century?

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riksowden.livejournal.com

Erm, well, we're a bunch of Toreador (duh) who all draw our lineage back to the same 7th gen fella, and who are as a group, for the most part, not very good ;)

We're poseurs and snobs, we're socialites and butterflies. The house is great - we spend more time being bitchy at each other than we do anything else.

We have a couple of actual artists within the House as well, but we try not to draw too much attention to that...

The write up on the Toreador website is good - catch me online (mIRC is best) and i'll give you the URL...

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Okay; a few extra links would be nice. Elodie is not a huge socialite, preferring to stay nicely in the background, observing and drawing her own conclusions from the games of others. On the other hand, if any of you are particularly amusing a closer acquaintance could be on the cards. :)

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riksowden.livejournal.com

Define particularly?

And the other possibility is that Alexander is a Patron (and a member of the Plutus guild) and so if you are in need of such...?

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Uh, I think Lady Juliette said I would be a member of Aphrodite; what would a Patron be (I expect I would know this IC)?

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malkachu.livejournal.com

Yeah - You're in the same Guild as Sebastin. Aphrodite.

Guilds have Ranks.
Apprentice - Every character starts at this level.
Journeyman - You need a minimum of Crafts x3 (in your specific artform) to hold this Rank.
Master - You need Crafts x5 (in your specific artform) to hold this Rank.

You need to work on your Journeyman's Piece - i.e. create a piece of work to be critiqued by a member of Guild Nemesis - if it is found worthy - you are promoted.

Patrons, from Guild Plutus, are the sponsors of your art work who pay for it and such.

Yes you would know that IC.

I expect you'll be going for Journeyman - talk to me and I can help you with it since I'm *grumble grumble* doing mine again for the second time IC.

*mutters about crappy records*

But yeah - You'd start as an Apprentice. :-)

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Oh yes, and as for 'particularly amusing' I think I meant Toreador with their heads so far up their own arses that even someone as retiring and relatively unworldly as Elodie could feel supercilious and laugh at them. Someone she might cultivate as an acquaintance just to see how far they would go in stupidity/arrogance. Any takers? :)

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riksowden.livejournal.com

I don't see Alexander as being arrogant...
Mind you thats not to say he isn't - other people might think that he is, but really, he is that good!

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inskauldrak.livejournal.com

*grin* send us an outline background and mark areas you'd like help filling out, then we lovely London STs can help...

I'm not that evil honest ; )

Michael

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Okay :) I need reasons for her to leave London at a possibly historically inopportune period.

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sesquipedality.livejournal.com

If you want, for any time post 1950, you can have looked after a retarded Torrie artist called Lizzie Dutton for a while. She's one of those people that tends to get shunted around to anyone who's not quick enough to have got out of the way in time.

Can't do the sire thing, as generations don't match sadly. Sorry.

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can do; maybe during the 80s? For the last twenty years E-L has been living in St-Geoire-en-Valdaine, a little village near Grenoble. Would that work?

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sesquipedality.livejournal.com

Probably. I'll discuss it with you next time I see you face to face, which currently looks like being the game on Sat.

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... at which I will probably be playing Elodie, assuming I get this damn background sorted out. Yes, that should be fine - it will be a nice little embroidery on the general fabric of her tale.

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windzswept.livejournal.com

can't do the sire thing, can't really do the current character tie-in thing either...

but....

my lovely brujah ex-character spent between 1917 and 2001 in rural france, darting between her houses and flats there.... possibly could have some connection there.... but its another oprichnina contact...

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At the very least I would have heard of her. Name and brief details? :)

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windzswept.livejournal.com

I'll e-mail them to you

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raggedhalo.livejournal.com

My friendly Tremere was around in Europe and Asia-type places all over the last century, and so if you travelled then they could have bumped into each other; Switzerland, Austria, Greece and Egypt were all ports of call up to the end of WWII. Having met in Austria would work, if your character'd've been there: 1929-1936 or so.

Let me know...

And a rakish boho ghoul would be cool, 'cept playing London is unlikely.

:-(

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Well, I am likely to play Brum quite regularly too, it's just that the ghoul is providing Elodie's front for distributing her artwork, so really ought to be London-based. If you would really like to, though, maybe we can work something out. I'd much rather have someone fun playing it in slightly the wrong place than not at all :)

Elodie might well have done an inter-war Grand Tour-type trip. Would you like to set up one or two particular meeting points/incidents in that period? Switzerland and Austria sound particularly good. Would she have met and *liked* your 'friendly Tremere' or would she have run like hell? :

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raggedhalo.livejournal.com

Cool; if you get no other offers, or'd prefer me to, I'm sure a ghoul wouldn't go amiss.
My Tremere genuinely is friendly, dammit! (Like, seriously, not in a "friendly Tremere" kinda way) -- I always envisaged him being friends with Toreador.
What's your email? We should discuss this elsewhere...

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You strike me as someone who'd play the character to a good approximation fo what I have in mind :) I need to check rules on actually being allowed a ghoul - what's required?
email: lucy@photonhunter.co.uk

I look forward to hearing from you :)

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raggedhalo.livejournal.com

NPC ghouls need the Retainer background, but PC ones just need a peep to play them...as it happens, I have a spare secondary slot, so we shall see what we can do.
An email shall wing its way to you shortly...

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eep, I hope my sketchy background can stand up to this :) I shall have to think more closely about this young man :)

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bringeroflight.livejournal.com

My Ventrue elder had "people" active throughout Europe from 1946 onwards. He slept between 1911 and 1946...

I'll mail you or see you over IRC.

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Okay, I look forward to your cryptic mutterings :)

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martyrssmile.livejournal.com

In a totally random manner, I stumble across this through Bringer of Flights friends list.
I'm outta the west coast of the US; but if you should ever need a Torrie tie-in out this way, my *coughcough14thgencough* toreador was in rural france for about the last 5 years. Raises ornamental fish for Art.

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