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Dear Livejournal,

Please help me enumerate the multifarious ways that this article is made of wrong. My brain has shut down in horror.

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slightlyfoxed.livejournal.com
Don't blame them, blame the enormous amount of publicity - and leeway to homo- and bi-phobia - anyone gets from the mainstream press when they 'convert' from exclusive homosexuality.

Oh, stuff it, blame them as well. And Jackie Clune, she can shove right off.

I remember reading a rather obnoxious Theobald article, possibly the one she references. It was in a book about how feminism is still relevant, directed at young women (I can't identify which, I'm afraid) - joyful to know that someone's first introduction to useful ideas such as wage equality and the double standard will include a meditation on the unethics of bisexuality.

I'm going to write Theobald a letter and see if she'll donate to Bi presences at UK prides this year.

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 11:13 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] softfruit.livejournal.com
Good plan at the end there. Maybe someone could try and line up interviews with the pair of them for BCN (but not me far too busy and illiterate)

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slightlyfoxed.livejournal.com
Maybe request for interview before request for large amounts of cash, then.

I'm not sure I'm the best person, as I've been annoyed at Theobald for about a decade, and I've not read any Arnott, but I'll have a think about it.

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneplusme.livejournal.com
I almost sent you a link to that this morning...

I guess if you're going to allow your politics to define or redefine your sexuality then you're pretty well doomed to fail from the start (whether those political ideas are religiofascist homophobia, militant feminism, or anything else you can think of). So whilst that "traitor mentality" towards bisexuality is bafflingly idiotic (why fight against one discrimination in order to replace it with another?), it's also terribly predictable (since any small fringe group will quickly develop strong in-group/out-group markers).

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cosmolinguist
I like the word "multifarious."

My brain has shut down too.

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spencerpine.livejournal.com
Well, for a start, they don't mention good old-fashioned family values.

G

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spencerpine.livejournal.com
That's very funny.

G

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahloo.livejournal.com
I can't even read that - it all sounds like a load of gobbledygook!

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] friend-of-tofu.livejournal.com
Oh, I thought it was great! Amused the hell out of me. This seems like a perfect example of Michael Moore's suggestion that we should pray for bigots to fall prey to the very thing they're bigoted about, if possible.

Never trust a woman with egg on her face, eh?

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bethanthepurple.livejournal.com
The lady? That was me til I turned 19. I cried he first time I realised I fancied a boy.

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syllopsium.livejournal.com
At extreme risk of being stereotypical and ageist - not everyone knows what they want at age 19 - I certainly didn't. She was 37..

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bethanthepurple.livejournal.com
I think that if I hadn't fancied a boy at that age, I would have remained a bigot until I did. A good sobering thought to keep around to smack some humility into me when needed.

Date: Friday, 17 April 2009 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syllopsium.livejournal.com
We're not allowed to know what would have been if we made different choices.

I find continuing bigotry slightly surprising and would normally expect that unless you live in a lesbian ghetto, it's difficult to avoid exposure to different lifestyles and viewpoints if you are even vaguely scene.

There's also (hopefully) the point where people start judging both their own and other viewpoints and discover quite how many are flawed and self serving.

Even the straight community gets exposed to sufficient diversity for people to note life might consist of shades of grey rather than primary colours.

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] friend-of-tofu.livejournal.com
Something similar (although with fewer tears and more cursing) happened to me at about 15 and a half. But I had never run around claiming that bisexuals were wicked traitors/confused/wrong, so no embarrassing retractions were necessary.

At any rate, the article seems, overall, to be reasonably decent press for the B. There are points of criticism, but from such a source, I expected far worse.

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] medland.livejournal.com
WHAT IS THIS FUCKERY?!

Feh?

Date: Thursday, 16 April 2009 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reindeerflotila.livejournal.com
*giggle*

I was going to comment, but this is admirably succinct :P

Date: Friday, 17 April 2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
There are book links for both of them in the article. I therefore refuse to take any of it seriously.

Date: Tuesday, 2 June 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elettaria.livejournal.com
Well, that's not what "homosocial" means, for a start.

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