little Garou 'huh?'

[taimatsu]

Just out of interest, with reference to events in Oxford Garou this weekend, what *is* the justification for the idea that same-sex activity between two Garou is a Litany breach? I mean, thou shalt not mate with another Garou, but this isn't *mating*, i mean, they're not going to *breed*...

Conversely, what would be the attitude to same-sex activity with a Kinfolk?

Just interested.

Comments

[malkachu.livejournal.com]

It doesn't produce more Warriors for Gaia.
Same sex Garou relationships may bring no Metis but they're still icky as they're spending time they have to spread the seed of Gaia.

*re reads that*

God that sounds SO bad.

[nevecat.livejournal.com]

No, it doesn't make sense really, but I'll try to explain.

Three reasons:

(1) Potential birth of metis. Metis are walking veil breaches until they can change out of crinos form (about 8 years), and likely to still be risk after that - for example, if they're killed, their body will rvert to breed form (ie crinos). Additional issue that the mother frequently dies in childbirth, and even if she doesn't, may be barren thereafter. Metises themselves are sterile.

(2) Lack of kinfolk/fertile garou being produced. In my mind, not so much of an issue, since the majority ofthe time, garou don't get the time to sprog anyway. Cass and Songbird certainly weren't expected to at the time, because Cat's is planning a litter - and that's quite enough for any sept to deal with.

(3) Close attachment. You are going to see fellows fall in battle - if one of those is a mate, it's likely to at very least distract you at the time, if not send you into Harano. Somebody ceasing to follow a battle plan (ha!) could change the course of the battle....

This last one makes sense - except that packmates are often as close, and get fun things like visions/feelings of their packmates final moments...


Of course, the real reason is that it's an archaeic society, and a dying race, and when the rules were thought up, nobody considered purely pleasure rather than reproduction type relationships - remember garou society is massively based on wolfpack ideas...

[winterthing.livejournal.com]

I don't think the 'garou shall not mate with garou' thing is even a rational decision any more - I see it as a taboo as major as brother and sister sleeping together in normal society. It may have arisen from very sensible things like the need to prevent deformed offspring, but now it is just an emotive taboo.

And so a same sex mating (which carries its own taboo) would be just as threatening and horrifying, if not more so, than an opposing gender mating.