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Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:50 pm
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If you had to come up with a small simple picture that expressed the idea of SCIENCE! or something connected to it, what would you draw?

(I have a typography project involving pictograms - I have to do three and only have two so far.)

Alternatively, what's the best thing you've seen in the Science Museum, if you've been there?

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angeoverhere.livejournal.com
Probably something like a flask/test tube, with bubbling liquid in it. Or something like this picture! Or the kind of logos they use in Brainiac (http://www.g4tv.com/brainiac/index.html)

Tangent - I know someone who spent their PhD getting people to draw pictures of scientists!!

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
Man with a big grin and a lab coat holding a test tube up.

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verlaine.livejournal.com
Preferably a man with crazy Einstein hair.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
What do you ([livejournal.com profile] taimatsu) want; an image which symbolises science, or which symbolises the public perception of science? Einstein looking like a superannuated sheepdog is a stereotype, and has nothing to do with science. Einstein when he did his groundbreaking work was a young man. (Indeed, most groundbreaking science is done by Ph.D.s and postdocs; Einstein was unusual in being able to make considerable advances to his fields all his life.)

A better symbol of science would be a photograph (if you can find one) of Einstein as a young man writing equations on a blackboard.

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinydan.livejournal.com
http://xkcd.com/c179.html

The formula in this says it all for me. 8)

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pozorvlak.livejournal.com
Aaaaaargh!

I have ranted about this before (http://pozorvlak.livejournal.com/40478.html).

Besides, there are excellent reasons why we should use 2π rather than π.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinydan.livejournal.com
The character's response is that of most non-mathematicians. It was certainly mine. It sums up how Science! does strange and wonderful things sometimes. the explanation for this formula is something I simply cannot comprehend, no matter how many times it's broken down into words of one syllable for me. But it works, and the apparent complexity in something as simple as e^pi.i=-1 is, to non-scientists, pretty cool.

In an appallingly baffling way, of course.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cultureofdoubt.livejournal.com
I don't think that formula's science. It's maths.

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aendr.livejournal.com
Science: A conical flask

Science Museum: The foucault's pendulum - but you can't really pictogram that.

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
An atom or molecule!

But a bubbling flask would do.

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
How about a reasonably long molecule, in space-filling representation at one end, gradually turning into a ball-and-stick model halfway along (preferably so you can see it's hand-assembled), and finally into a chemical formula at the other end?

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pozorvlak.livejournal.com
I love it!
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Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flamma-caverna.livejournal.com
Not at all, that's not far from the truth.. ;)

Atoms, especially the ones drawn with swirly electrons, often say "radioactive" to the man on the omnibus. Personally I think the bubbling conical flask is the best universal and easily understandable symbol.

ps. real scientists don't use test-tubes

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pozorvlak.livejournal.com
We just do that for fun in our spare time. Or when our applications for funding have been turned down one time too many...

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dystopiac.livejournal.com
DNA double helix.

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] hairyears.livejournal.com
The simple 'atom' symbol: Image

Failing that, wot she sed: a simplified sketch of the DNA helix.

Alternatively, there's no best thing in the Science Museum; but the original Difference Engine comes close, for the sheer sense of awe among those who know what it means.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lethargic-man.livejournal.com
Your Bohr atom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_atom) is an apposite symbol, but most people will fail to get the reasons why.

It's apposite because it was a good scientific theory: it was proposed to explain observational data, and was accepted because it did a good job of explaining them; and it made predictions that could be tested.

But it's also apposite as a symbol of science because it was later superseded as a theory by a more refined theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_configuration#Orbitals_table), to which the Bohr atom approximates under certain circumstances.

But, as I said, most people will fail to pick that up from just seeing it.

Date: Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] emperor
A microscope.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
That was my thought too.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doctor-frank.livejournal.com
Thirded - the whole conical flask thing is chronically cliched, and at least a slightly larger proportion of scientists actually use microscopes than conical flasks.

Personally, I would be tempted to try and do some sort of image demonstrating the scale of scientific knowledge, by juxtaposing an atom with an image of the solar system. That may be too complex for what you need, though.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pozorvlak.livejournal.com
Given its place in the history of science, how about a telescope? Hooke's microscope was the beginnings of modern biology, sure, but Galileo's telescope was pretty much the beginnings of modern natural science.

[Incredible guy, Hooke, by the way. Have you read Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle?]

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-mendicant.livejournal.com
The Periodic Table. I used to love the one in the science museum when I was little, cus of all those button that lit up. Only recently did I learn what a work of genius it was, when listening to Bill Bryson's History of Nearly Everything.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bateleur.livejournal.com
Depends how serious the context is.

Serious end: A conical flask drawn as an outline, containing dark liquid to about 1/3 of the way up.

Cheerful end: A 60-s style cartoon space rocket with a big whoosh of flame coming out of the back.

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sea-cucumber.livejournal.com
My favourite bit in the science museum was the space section :D

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyrdness.livejournal.com
I always think of a light bulb, I think it's bound up with the "flash of inspiration" thing :)

My favourite part of the Science Museum was the kids bit. I could have spent hours with blocks trying different ways to reach the designated line without them all tipping over :D

Date: Friday, 20 April 2007 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pozorvlak.livejournal.com
Interesting how many people have gone for conical flasks, or other bits of chemical glassware. How about something astronomical? A picture from the Hubble telescope, maybe? [livejournal.com profile] neoanjou has some nice userpics along these lines. Or something from a cloud chamber (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=cloud%20chamber&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi), or some other piece of Big Physics apparatus? The inside of a tokamak (http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=tokamak&btnG=Search+Images)? A view inside a cell? Some sort of anatomical diagram, with labels? A curve, with tangents sketched? Possibly some real-world thing, like a cable from a suspension bridge, which morphs into a diagram with tangents and labels (and possibly formulae) as you get closer to one side of the picture? [similar to [livejournal.com profile] lethargic_man's excellent idea, above]

I'm afraid the image I get in my head whenever someone says SCIENCE! is Ali G holding up an object, and saying "When I let go of this, it will fall to the ground, because of an invisible thing in the air, called Science." [thud]

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