*runs for cover*

[taimatsu]

Am now preparing to be considered humourless bitch by at least half the Camarilla. *sigh*

Comments

[renfield286.livejournal.com]

why?

[taimatsu]

I've just posted to UK-G about Simon/Rory's t-shirt sponsorship thing.

[sea-cucumber.livejournal.com]

I'm not on UK general, so I have not a clue what it's all about! What was it?

[renfield286.livejournal.com]

well i have no idea what thats about.
but i wouldnt worry about it.

[suave-steve.livejournal.com]

Well this half of the Cam isn't laughing either...

[clupea-rufus.livejournal.com]

For the record, I agree with you.

I like slogan t-shirts a lot, but a few of these do make me slightly uncomfortable. And I don't think I'm going to be the only one.

Self-depreciating humour would be appropriate in this situation, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

[riksowden.livejournal.com]

Seemed a very resonable email to me - you made your objections (and the reasons for them) clear, and made some suggestions for alternative ideas plain. I like the idea of a chicken suit ;)

[the-alchemist.livejournal.com]

Usually when I worry about that, I find that lots of people were thinking the same thing as me but didn't dare say it because they didn't want to be considered a humourless bitch.

[taimatsu]

*nod* I thought this when I first saw Simon's plans, and it's slowly become clear that no-one else was going to say anything, and since I would be genuinely uncomfortable if that t-shirt *did* turn up in an 'official capacity' at the event, I thought I should mention it.

It's different if someone buys it and wears it by themselves for their own purposes (not for charity, not with the encouragement and cheerleading of others) because then I am free to consider them rude, unpleasant, boorish, sexist etc. and berate them or ignore them as I please. But when someone decides to be a sexist boor *for charity* and asks other people to *encourage them* in this at a society event, then I do have a problem.

[suave-steve.livejournal.com]

Oh and if you want to talk about this to someone "semi-officially" just mail me.

[davedevil.livejournal.com]

Its no really on to be usin cam mailing lists to flog your wears either...

[borusa.livejournal.com]

Hmm.

I want a T-Shirt that says "Tell me about your character and I'll tell you about my last Bridge match."

That's 24 boards worth of "Dummy had the Ace, queen, nine of clubs, so I lead low intending to finesse with the nine, but when LHO rose with the jack I covered with the queen and led the ace, realising that either he had K-J bare or J-10-x, and I didn't have enough entries to hand to lead through him three times, but there was a good chance the king would drop from one hand or another. Unfortunately, he had K-J-x, and I'd bought the false card, so when the king didn't drop I switched to a diamond and..."

I don't think you're humourless - I think you're right.

[taimatsu]

Mmmm, I suspect this is the case here.

(The issue is that someone wants to be sponsored - in aid of Amnesty International - to wear, at a society event, a t-shirt I and others consider to be unpleasant, sexist and generally unfunny. No-one else has yet made it clear they disapprove, and I run the risk of looking not only humourless but also negative about charity sponsorship...)

[taimatsu]

Well, I wouldn't mind that given that it is also a charity thing, and we don't do enough charity things. (Perhaps a better plan would be for Simon to suggest a charity raffle with his t-shirts as some of the prizes?) But the nature of the suggested sponsored activity is what grates. Sponsor me to be rude to girls! Woo! (Gross over-simplification, but still...)

[the-alchemist.livejournal.com]

Oh I hate the 'I can do whatever I want because it's for CHARITY' thing. Definitely go for it.

And thank you for satisfying my curiosity. I confess I'd been searching teh internets for the answer. Now I'm tempted to ask what the t-shirt said...

[cryx]

I think you should make that t-shirt. I certainly have the urge to make you an icon ;)

[secretrebel.livejournal.com]

Now you've got me wanting to know how rude, boorish and sexist this T-shirt is. Damnit!

[taimatsu]

Simon is selling printed t-shirts with Cam slogans. One of them says 'No dear, a corset just MOVES the fat!' Rory wishes to be sponsored, in aid of Amnesty International, to wear this shirt while OOC at Lammas Fair. Simon's posted about this on UKG, soliciting donations. Simon's phrasing in his post makes it clear that he is aware the shirt is offensive (and that's why it's worth sponsoring Rory to 'take his life in his hands' and wear it). I object to the shirt as sexist, patronising, sizeist and unpleasant, and have said so, suggesting that they pick another shirt or another outfit instead. I suspect a portion of the society will now consider me, as I said, a humourless bitch.

[borusa.livejournal.com]

http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?op=article&ac=details&article_id=1252124#top

[taimatsu]

There's a reply above that explains the whole thing. :/ In one sense it's not that bad, it's just stupid, and if someone wore it ordinarily I'd just think they were a twat and ignore them; it's making a big song and dance aren't I CLEVER about it, and doing it semi-officially, that's really upsetting me.

[the-alchemist.livejournal.com]

That would bug me too.

[taimatsu]

See other replies to this post! I may have to edit the original, actually...

[mirabehn.livejournal.com]

Sounds to me from what I'm reading above that your objections are perfectly justified, and anyone who thinks you're being either humourless or anti-charity about it has, frankly, got their head up somewhat their arse.

It's not like you haven't made other suggestions that would be, you know, genuinely amusing. Offending people in the name of a charity isn't doing the charity any favours, and it seems particularly weird to want to do something sexist in the name of Amnesty International!

[sea-cucumber.livejournal.com]

*blink*
eeep. That's a bit rude then... Even if it is for charity. Perhaps they should find a slogan that isn't so offending. Like poke fun out of WW or something, nobody minds that :)

[taimatsu]

Which address should I use? I'm not sure I do need to escalate to Trustee level (and I'm not sure I know what the Trustees could or would do!) but it'd be handy to know.